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Making the Shoe Fit - CS-MARS Sizing

So you want a MARS box but don't know which one to buy? Cisco offers many options as to which appliance you can purchase and even has details online as to how each appliance is sized.



So as you can see the sizing is based upon events per second. So how excactly can you measure you events per second? Let me clarify this by showing you the devices we monitor and all together the events per second we generate. Here' our monitored devices:

4 x Windows Server
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2 x PIX 520 Firewalls
2 x PIX 515E Firewalls
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6 x Unix Servers with Snort

So all together we have a relatively large infrastructure monitored by MARS. So events per second comes to what excactly? At peak usage during the day we generate about only 57 events per second. Which CS-MARS version do we run? We're currently running the 100e, which is capable of 3000 events per second! Wow... that's pretty damn powerful! We bought this size knowing that our infrastructure will soon include more servers along with NAC reporting to MARS. Hopefully this sizing overview helps when making the decision to purchase a CS-MARS appliance. If you ever need any help or recommendations, just ask!

69 comments:

jes00m said...

Hi Mike,

I think you have a pretty cool blog. My name is Jes I work for a Cisco Gold Partner in Australia. I am focusing on Cisco Security at the time being. I have deployed a couple of MARS deployment mainly using network device for reporting agent.

I notice you have some Windows Servers reporting to your MARS.

I am working on a current opportunity where the customer would like MARS to report on sucessfull and unsucessfull logins for Windows users.

I know that Win Eventlogs capture this. with the use of a SNARE agent can I get MARS to provide an aggregate report of this login activity.

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jesmond.psaila@getronics.com

Mike said...

Hey Jesmond,

Great question! What you're asking is completely possibly with MARS. I'll bring your question out to the main page of my blog and share how to manage Windows events. Give me a day to pull together an example for you.

-Mike

Andy said...

Mike,

Thanks for the info! I found your blog while searching for sizing info for CS-MARS. You did a great job of answering my question.

I found you also answered questions I haven't gotten to, yet (like monitoring Windows events, which will help me sell others on CS-MARS).

I look forward to more great posts from you!

`Andy

Andy said...
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Mike said...

Hi Mike,

Do you have your routers configured to send Netflow?

-Thanks

Laurent said...

I'm blown away by the feature set of MARS and love it's ability to integrate devices from other vendors for centralized security event management.

From a network infrastructure perspective we're primarily a Cisco shop but we have a number of Snort IDS sensors deployed along with our Windows/Linux server farms.

With the CS-MARS-200-K9 a bit out of our reach the 100 and 100E sound like the systems of choice.

I'm curious, do you know how the hardware of the 100 and 100E differs? Is the event and netflow handling capability of the 100 available via license upgrade of teh 100E?

Regards,

Laurent Geyer
misc@085zehn.com

David said...

Hi Mike.... I think I found your blog too late.... I am doing my thesis to finish the university of events correlation... and of course, about CS-MARS.... I saw one post that you tell about the number of events per second.... and I need to know if you know where can I find those numbers for each device.....
All my thesis is teorical... so I never ever had the chance to put my hands on a CS-MARS.... if you could help me.... (if you have msn: davidmello81@hotmail.com)
Thanks a lot
David

Robert said...

Mars Product Line

Mars 20
Events/Sec 500
NetFlows Flows/Sec 15,000
RAID Storage 120GB
Rack Size 1 RU

Mars 50
Events/Sec 1,000
NetFlows Flows/Sec 25,000
RAID Storage 120GB
Rack Size 1 RU

Mars 100e
Events/Sec 3,000
NetFlows Flows/Sec 75,000
RAID Storage 750GB
Rack Size 3 RU

Mars 100
Events/Sec 5,000
NetFlows Flows/Sec 150,000
RAID Storage 750GB
Rack Size 3 RU

Mars 200
Events/Sec 10,000
NetFlows Flows/Sec 300,000
RAID Storage 1TB
Rack Size 4 RU

Global Controller
Events/Sec N/A
NetFlows Flows/Sec N/A
RAID Storage 1TB
Rack Size 4 RU

Hope that helps, Great Blog...

David said...

Hey Mark, thanks for your answer, but what I was asking was about the other devices (eg. firewall, routers and etcs)... how can I measure how many EPS they send..... thanks in advance.

DaveMan said...

Sorry, Robert and not Mark :-) hehehe

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-->j said...

Really easy way to calculate EPS on the MARS appliance, to gauge baselining and peak usage:

Take the number of events fired, in a 24 hour period, and divide that by 86,400 (number of seconds in a day).

Example:

1,500,000 / 86,400 = 17.36 EPS

Anonymous said...

You can't possibly be running debug level logging on your hardware, and only be receiving that many EPS.

To suggest that you could potentially get by on a smaller MARS appliance would not be correct. The intent of pushing information to MARS to give it as much as possible. Step up the logging, and I believe your EPS would be significantly higher.

Anonymous said...

Calculating EPS by taking the overall events daily (or weekly or whatever) might be sometimes risky.

For example, if you're a law firm working 9:00 - 17:00, and you have 1,500,000 events a day, you think you are sufficient with a machine running up to 50EPS (the 20R).

However, true life is that you should calculate 1,500,000 / NumberOfActivityHours, in this case:

1,500,000 / (8hoursX60minutesX60seconds) = 1,500,000 / 28,800 = 52EPS

So, the 20R will NOT suffice, you need to go with the 20!!!

Anonymous said...

How can I tell how many events per second our MARS 100 is receiving?

Anonymous said...

Hi, just to find out, for an environment with 30 ASA5510 all with AIP10 modules.

What would be a good estimate sizing of CS MARS to support this requirement (30 ASA)(30 IPS)?

Tarek said...

Is there a formula that depends on the number of users, servers and security devices/softwares installed?

Anonymous said...

Hi Mike,

Could you help me with the following scenario:

I will have a central site (A site) and other five operational sites (B site). In average each site will have the following ITC infrastructure:
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- 120 users on site

Each site B will have 1500 small branches (near 8000 in total). In turn, each branch will have one Cisco ISR router and a 4Mbps ADSL link.

I am considering having Cisco MARS in the SOC to do all the security monitoring, identification and response of incidents, but I have the following questions:
- What type of deployment is better for this project?:
a) A central standalone MARS controller in the SOC, or
b) A central global controller in the SOC and a local controller in each site (one A and five B)
- How can I estimate the EPS at each site if they do not exist yet and I cannot measure anything?
- Does someone have data about EPS (average and peak) for real scenarios for each of the aforementioned infrastructure products?

Thank you very much
Best regards

Arturo Monroy

Sakul said...

Hi,

What if the actual eps exceeds the CS-MARS capacity (specially during peak traffic)?
Will CS-MARS buffer or discard the exceeding events?

meanjeans said...

Hi Mike,

Are you logging acl drops, tcp and udp session creation from all those firewalls? This is very useful information to be logging to MARS and I doubt you could be doing that with such a small reported EPS. I have environments with a 10th of what you listed that are often over 200 EPS.

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